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"Joe6pack" (joe6pack) 09/28/2019 at 11:48 • Filed to: None

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Michael Ballaban on Twitter. My opinion is it’s uncalled for. I’m sure the rest of the Jalopnik staff agrees, but I wonder if they will back it up in public.

https://twitter.com/Ballaban/status/1177965246004256768?s=19

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Joe6pack 09/28/2019 at 12:06

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Meh, I don’t think it’s so bad. He’s right, most cheap places suck. I mean...I could buy quite a nice house in Winnipeg...but instead live in a small townhouse  in metro Vancouver.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Joe6pack 09/28/2019 at 12:14

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Not as bad as this:

(Fake news)

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Joe6pack 09/28/2019 at 12:19

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is an opinion ever called for?

i mean... most of the time other peoples opinions just get in the way of our own

it’d be much easier if they just all agreed with us

Spanfeller is a twat > Joe6pack 09/28/2019 at 12:21

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I’m sure he’s really happy about being an auto journalist in Manhattan ; I cannot imagine there’s a single downside to it. 

TheRealBicycleBuck > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/28/2019 at 12:23

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The biggest driver of cost in real estate is demand, not labor or materials except when a particular trade is scarce or materials have to be transported long distances. Stone is a popular and relatively inexpensive building material in Austin because the quarries are nearby. Brick is damn near impossible to get in parts of Arkansas because there aren’t any local bricklayers in those areas.

We can buy a lot more home in Texas for the same dollars we have to spend in Louisiana because of land, labor, and material costs. 

Spanfeller is a twat > TheRealBicycleBuck 09/28/2019 at 12:29

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Some cities have an unnatural “investment” market; where people invest in apartments because they think its stable. It ends up being so competitive that rental prices go up and no one can realistically afford tuem . It happened here in the early 2000s, its happening in Zapopan , and even in New York City where housing regulations are tighter, a quarter of luxury apartments are unoccupied.

Joe6pack > TheRealBicycleBuck 09/28/2019 at 12:36

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This is true. L and costs play a big part . In many states, there are no natural barriers (i.e. oceans, mountains) to development that push buildable land prices higher.

TheRealBicycleBuck > Spanfeller is a twat 09/28/2019 at 12:37

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Exactly. Regulations can drive demand too. We’ve seen this with tax incentives/shelters as well as growth barriers like green zones or limited building  permits.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/28/2019 at 12:38

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Exactly. There’s lots of reasons a house can be cheap. Most if not all of them  boil down to “not a desirable place to live”.

DipodomysDeserti > TheRealBicycleBuck 09/28/2019 at 12:44

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I was able to buy a house in Arizona fresh out of college because out property values cratered. My house is now worth 4x what I bought it for.

My house was built in 1958....

I can buy a brand new house (built out of wood and foam by illegal labor) for half of what my house is worth now in a surrounding city.

We also have no water.

Explain that.

Tekamul > Joe6pack 09/28/2019 at 12:45

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Is he really saying anything? He feels it’s a reason it’s that list. Doesn’t give his opinion as to what that reason is.

Anything beyond that is the reader's inference.

Joe6pack > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 09/28/2019 at 12:45

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I agree everyone is entitled to their opinion and I am certainly not looking to cancel Michael. But, there's a line where it ceases to be an honest point of debate and becomes a slur.

Joe6pack > Spanfeller is a twat 09/28/2019 at 12:48

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Maybe he can give us a review of the Uber he took to brunch.

DipodomysDeserti > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/28/2019 at 12:55

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I assume that all Infinity drivers are Republicans.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Joe6pack 09/28/2019 at 12:57

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eh.... i dont see the slur

For Sweden > Joe6pack 09/28/2019 at 13:00

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Every tweet is a bad tweet

Michael probably doesn't realize all those places have zoning regulations that support new housing.

For Sweden > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/28/2019 at 13:01

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“I fight for the working class but I won't be seen in the same city as them."

vondon302 > Joe6pack 09/28/2019 at 13:03

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Yeah who would want to have 5 acres and pay low taxes.

But what ever I’m finding it increasingly hard to get upset about much of anything lately. 

For Sweden > Tekamul 09/28/2019 at 13:39

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It's written in the voice of someone who lived their entire life in an expensive metro, yet looks down on people who never left their hometown.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Joe6pack 09/28/2019 at 13:49

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How is it uncalled for? It’s no secret that those areas have acres of cheap land and farmhouses. There’s also a lack of things such as job opportunities in many sectors, often times there’s lower pay, fewer amenities, etc...

I read that as criticism of the list for not breaking down things like “ch eapest university town” “cheapest rural area” “cheapest waterfront property” “cheapest urban property” and the like . Instead they just average the median price per sq. ft. and go “WOW LOOK HOW CHEAP WEST VIRGINIA IS!”

jimz > Tekamul 09/28/2019 at 14:04

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Ah yes, the usual “well, I/he didn’t explicitly say it (even though it’s what I really meant) so it’s your fault for interpreting it the way I actually meant it (but was vague enough so I could weasel out of it)“ cop-out. You’re not being smart, you’re not being clever, everyone sees right through it.

I await the inevitable dollop of smugness in your reply. 

jimz > For Sweden 09/28/2019 at 14:04

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yes, but he didn’t specifically say that, so you’re clearly putting words in his mouth.

/s

(it’s pathetic how many supposed adults pull that shit.)

jimz > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 09/28/2019 at 14:06

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it’s not a “slur,” so to speak, but it’s a typical NYC/DC/SoCal snob saying “housing is cheap in these states because they’re all backwater shitholes populated by low-IQ hicks. As opposed to myself, who is amongst the greatest people in the world just because I chose to pay $3,000 a month for a 250 sq.ft. studio in NYC.”

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > jimz 09/28/2019 at 14:20

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redacted coz im drunk....i lost my point

may take it up again in the morning

sorry mate

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > jimz 09/28/2019 at 14:24

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pffffrt... clicked wrong button

DipodomysDeserti > For Sweden 09/28/2019 at 14:27

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What if your hometown gets more expensive every year because Californians keep moving there?

Build a wall?

For Sweden > DipodomysDeserti 09/28/2019 at 14:37

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Yes, build a wall, then send them back

Tekamul > jimz 09/28/2019 at 14:56

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What the fuck are you on about? Serious question, which words are you putting in his mouth? Education, crime, air quality, race, taxes, art museums per capita? Go ahead and make your choice and remember it’s yours, not his.

I tried to connect the dots on that list and didn’t get a common thread. So please, take the foot out of your mouth and give the answer that you’re so sure he meant and we’re all thinking.

gettingoldercarguy > DipodomysDeserti 09/28/2019 at 15:05

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You get pissed off like Texans do about Californians before the Texans go off to their second home in Colorado.

Spanfeller is a twat > For Sweden 09/28/2019 at 15:15

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He’s just proud that people like Donald Trump made his city very expensive and probably more segregated

Spanfeller is a twat > TheRealBicycleBuck 09/28/2019 at 15:16

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Well, competing interests I guess 

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > DipodomysDeserti 09/28/2019 at 15:26

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Must be a regional thing. 

Spanfeller is a twat > Tekamul 09/28/2019 at 15:43

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The thread on twitter doesn’t help his case

Milky > Joe6pack 09/28/2019 at 15:55

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Wheres the lie tho?

jimz > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 09/28/2019 at 17:33

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He’s right, most cheap places suck.

I disagree. I think big, dense cities/metroplexes suck. Too many people, too noisy, too congested, too smelly, and you have to pay a shitload of money for the “privilege.”  You can have your crowded hellhole, I want no part of it.

3point8isgreat > Joe6pack 09/28/2019 at 18:01

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Its extra great because the houses shown in the preview of the article look really nice.